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	<title>Comments on: Democrats Don&#8217;t Care About Delaware County</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph Francione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Francione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to find out just how many Democrats do care, at least here in Darby Township!

I will be running as a Democrat against the incumbent Republican in Darby Township for the office of District Justice.   If you know of any Democrats who might like to help (in any way, getting signatures on my petition, handing out literature, making a few phone calls, contributions, etc.) please let me know who they are or feel free to give them my name, email address or phone number 610 505-2153.

Thank you, 
Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to find out just how many Democrats do care, at least here in Darby Township!</p>
<p>I will be running as a Democrat against the incumbent Republican in Darby Township for the office of District Justice.   If you know of any Democrats who might like to help (in any way, getting signatures on my petition, handing out literature, making a few phone calls, contributions, etc.) please let me know who they are or feel free to give them my name, email address or phone number 610 505-2153.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second DD and Scott here.  There was significant effort and in fact, I got a call from my precinct volunteer at 7 p.m. last night because I hadn&#039;t voted yet.  I got other robo-calls from dems.  The party is split here and there&#039;s way too much infighting and vying for power.  But I think that will settle eventually.  It&#039;s just going to take some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second DD and Scott here.  There was significant effort and in fact, I got a call from my precinct volunteer at 7 p.m. last night because I hadn&#8217;t voted yet.  I got other robo-calls from dems.  The party is split here and there&#8217;s way too much infighting and vying for power.  But I think that will settle eventually.  It&#8217;s just going to take some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Daddy Democrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daddy Democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there was a vigorous and hotly contested, 6-way primary for the Democratic ballot spots.

The problems in Delco are systemic and going to take some time to punch through. At every polling place I was in contact with yesterday, 2-3 Republican &quot;volunteers&quot; (county employees) were working strike lists and dragging bodies out to the polls.

No use crying about it. It&#039;s a big-ass machine. And it&#039;s not going to get dismantles in one cycle.

You also must know that the Democratic party is still highly split. They get together to support candidates in the fall, but the other months of the year, there are serious differences about how the party should be run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there was a vigorous and hotly contested, 6-way primary for the Democratic ballot spots.</p>
<p>The problems in Delco are systemic and going to take some time to punch through. At every polling place I was in contact with yesterday, 2-3 Republican &#8220;volunteers&#8221; (county employees) were working strike lists and dragging bodies out to the polls.</p>
<p>No use crying about it. It&#8217;s a big-ass machine. And it&#8217;s not going to get dismantles in one cycle.</p>
<p>You also must know that the Democratic party is still highly split. They get together to support candidates in the fall, but the other months of the year, there are serious differences about how the party should be run.</p>
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		<title>By: rzklkng</title>
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		<dc:creator>rzklkng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - I welcome your comments and your passion on the subject.  

I&#039;m happy to hear about the efforts being made - unfortunately, you&#039;re the first that I&#039;ve heard of it.  It wouldn&#039;t hurt to talk about these things.  There&#039;s no blog, no newsletter, no emails - I&#039;ve been a registered voter in Delco since 2000, and a Democrat since 2003.  No mention of these things on DelcoDems.  So where and how could I have found them out?

Here&#039;s the point though - what I&#039;m looking for here isn&#039;t bumper stickers, key chains, and TV-spots.  I fully understand and appreciate the grassroots nature of the Democratic Party.  What I&#039;m looking for is party &lt;b&gt;leadership&lt;/b&gt;.  You don&#039;t need to destroy the machine, and you don&#039;t need to become the new machine, you just need to disrupt it.

You want Democrats at the polls?  How about primaries?  Running a primary for County Council would have attracted enough attention to influence turnout and interest.  And what about ballot issues?  

My last paragraphs say exactly what you&#039;ve said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So I&#039;m left with a singular conclusion to all of this.  Up until recently, the Republicans had a significant advantage to the Democrats in voter-registrations. Despite this, on the National and State level, those voters consistently have delivered Democratic candidates while maintaining the status quo locally.  I suspect that the national and state Democratic Parties realize this, and do not wish to spend additional money to benefit local politics. 

To be fair, we&#039;re not exactly clamoring for change, are we?  If the citizenry won&#039;t do it themselves, perhaps they don&#039;t want it.  And that can&#039;t possibly be true, can it? Think we can do better? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lastly, these internets are meant for agitating and sparking controversy.  
You&#039;re not going to endear yourself with the online community by saying things like &quot;instead of complaining on the internet, contribute some time and money to changing things on the ground.&quot;  Not everyone has the opportunity to devote time and resources t being an activist, and we all give in different ways.  

I know I learned something from your exchange - I hope you found something to take away too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; I welcome your comments and your passion on the subject.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to hear about the efforts being made &#8211; unfortunately, you&#8217;re the first that I&#8217;ve heard of it.  It wouldn&#8217;t hurt to talk about these things.  There&#8217;s no blog, no newsletter, no emails &#8211; I&#8217;ve been a registered voter in Delco since 2000, and a Democrat since 2003.  No mention of these things on DelcoDems.  So where and how could I have found them out?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the point though &#8211; what I&#8217;m looking for here isn&#8217;t bumper stickers, key chains, and TV-spots.  I fully understand and appreciate the grassroots nature of the Democratic Party.  What I&#8217;m looking for is party <b>leadership</b>.  You don&#8217;t need to destroy the machine, and you don&#8217;t need to become the new machine, you just need to disrupt it.</p>
<p>You want Democrats at the polls?  How about primaries?  Running a primary for County Council would have attracted enough attention to influence turnout and interest.  And what about ballot issues?  </p>
<p>My last paragraphs say exactly what you&#8217;ve said:</p>
<blockquote><p>So I&#8217;m left with a singular conclusion to all of this.  Up until recently, the Republicans had a significant advantage to the Democrats in voter-registrations. Despite this, on the National and State level, those voters consistently have delivered Democratic candidates while maintaining the status quo locally.  I suspect that the national and state Democratic Parties realize this, and do not wish to spend additional money to benefit local politics. </p>
<p>To be fair, we&#8217;re not exactly clamoring for change, are we?  If the citizenry won&#8217;t do it themselves, perhaps they don&#8217;t want it.  And that can&#8217;t possibly be true, can it? Think we can do better? </p></blockquote>
<p>Lastly, these internets are meant for agitating and sparking controversy.<br />
You&#8217;re not going to endear yourself with the online community by saying things like &#8220;instead of complaining on the internet, contribute some time and money to changing things on the ground.&#8221;  Not everyone has the opportunity to devote time and resources t being an activist, and we all give in different ways.  </p>
<p>I know I learned something from your exchange &#8211; I hope you found something to take away too.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Alberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Alberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats locally have been working hard to change the things that you are complaining about.

&quot;No attempts to build an infrastructure. NO GOTV (get-out-the-vote) effort.  No effective information gatherer or disseminating device.  No go-to-person for sound-bites or commentary. Nothing.&quot;

You should do some more research on this before making superlative statements like that. We have been building a committee infrastructure and have been taking over individual municipality governments one-by-one. Just because we haven&#039;t had as much success as we would have liked does not mean that &quot;no attempts&quot; have been made.

There was as much GOTV as there was volunteer resources to devote to it. Not every precinct can be covered with the people we currently have. 

It&#039;s true that we don&#039;t have the money to disseminate information effectively, but if you want a go-to person for soundbites, you could just do what every local paper does and call Cliff Wilson, our County committee chair.

The reason you didn&#039;t see a Democrat at your polling place was probably because no Democrats in your neighborhood wanted to get involved. If nobody called you to ask you to do it, it&#039;s because there are only so many people to make those volunteer recruitment calls, and so many calls to make (the same goes for door knocks).

Instead of complaining about it, you can volunteer to be the committee person in your precinct and then you can hand out the ballots.

Our problem as Democrats is that most of us vote once every four years while the average Republican voter votes every year, if not twice a year. Another advantage the GOP has is volunteer power. The GOP machine has the ability to use their power to compel county and municipal employees to take time off to work the polls on election day, and the money to pay them $100 for the day. 

Democrats in Delaware County do not have street money to pay volunteers, and we don&#039;t control patronage jobs.  Many municipalities that Democrats do control were bled dry long before the Republicans abandoned them to their fate, leaving precious little enthusiasm for any effort that doesn&#039;t involve rebuilding their own towns (Darby, Yeadon, East Lansdowne).  In more affluent areas that the Democrats control (Media, Nether Providence, Lansdowne), Democrats are unwilling to compel public employees to do political work, mainly because it&#039;s not right, but also because it&#039;s illegal (and the court system and prosecutor&#039;s office are controlled by GOP partisans).  We&#039;re trying to dismantle machine politics in this county; we&#039;re not trying to take over the machine. That&#039;s not to say that Democratic employees in those towns don&#039;t volunteer, but the Republican employees in those towns are free to be Republicans and to volunteer for Republican candidates without fear of losing their jobs.

So, instead of complaining on the internet, contribute some time and money to changing things on the ground. We may not be winning it all yet, but we have made gains in every local election for the past decade. This year, all of our incumbents maintained their local offices, and preliminary reports indicate that we&#039;ve gained elected officials in Millbourne, Ridley Park and Colwyn. Change doesn&#039;t happen over the course of a single election cycle. We are better off than we were last time, but we need your help to do better next time. 

Email Delcodems@aol.com to find out how you can be a part of the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats locally have been working hard to change the things that you are complaining about.</p>
<p>&#8220;No attempts to build an infrastructure. NO GOTV (get-out-the-vote) effort.  No effective information gatherer or disseminating device.  No go-to-person for sound-bites or commentary. Nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should do some more research on this before making superlative statements like that. We have been building a committee infrastructure and have been taking over individual municipality governments one-by-one. Just because we haven&#8217;t had as much success as we would have liked does not mean that &#8220;no attempts&#8221; have been made.</p>
<p>There was as much GOTV as there was volunteer resources to devote to it. Not every precinct can be covered with the people we currently have. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that we don&#8217;t have the money to disseminate information effectively, but if you want a go-to person for soundbites, you could just do what every local paper does and call Cliff Wilson, our County committee chair.</p>
<p>The reason you didn&#8217;t see a Democrat at your polling place was probably because no Democrats in your neighborhood wanted to get involved. If nobody called you to ask you to do it, it&#8217;s because there are only so many people to make those volunteer recruitment calls, and so many calls to make (the same goes for door knocks).</p>
<p>Instead of complaining about it, you can volunteer to be the committee person in your precinct and then you can hand out the ballots.</p>
<p>Our problem as Democrats is that most of us vote once every four years while the average Republican voter votes every year, if not twice a year. Another advantage the GOP has is volunteer power. The GOP machine has the ability to use their power to compel county and municipal employees to take time off to work the polls on election day, and the money to pay them $100 for the day. </p>
<p>Democrats in Delaware County do not have street money to pay volunteers, and we don&#8217;t control patronage jobs.  Many municipalities that Democrats do control were bled dry long before the Republicans abandoned them to their fate, leaving precious little enthusiasm for any effort that doesn&#8217;t involve rebuilding their own towns (Darby, Yeadon, East Lansdowne).  In more affluent areas that the Democrats control (Media, Nether Providence, Lansdowne), Democrats are unwilling to compel public employees to do political work, mainly because it&#8217;s not right, but also because it&#8217;s illegal (and the court system and prosecutor&#8217;s office are controlled by GOP partisans).  We&#8217;re trying to dismantle machine politics in this county; we&#8217;re not trying to take over the machine. That&#8217;s not to say that Democratic employees in those towns don&#8217;t volunteer, but the Republican employees in those towns are free to be Republicans and to volunteer for Republican candidates without fear of losing their jobs.</p>
<p>So, instead of complaining on the internet, contribute some time and money to changing things on the ground. We may not be winning it all yet, but we have made gains in every local election for the past decade. This year, all of our incumbents maintained their local offices, and preliminary reports indicate that we&#8217;ve gained elected officials in Millbourne, Ridley Park and Colwyn. Change doesn&#8217;t happen over the course of a single election cycle. We are better off than we were last time, but we need your help to do better next time. </p>
<p>Email <a href="mailto:Delcodems@aol.com">Delcodems@aol.com</a> to find out how you can be a part of the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: daddy democrat </title>
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		<dc:creator>daddy democrat </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Like many Dems in Delaware County, I’m still stinging from the failure to make headway against the Big Red Machine at the County Courthouse. I’m sure that the coming few days will bring us various post-mortems and recriminations (rzklkng&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Like many Dems in Delaware County, I’m still stinging from the failure to make headway against the Big Red Machine at the County Courthouse. I’m sure that the coming few days will bring us various post-mortems and recriminations (rzklkng<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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